and for the middle east to finally begin to deliver for its people. >> steve, concluding question, what do you see as the role of the united states in the world today? there is the day amongst foreign-policy experts on american exceptional was and, the decline of the u.s. role, the desire to pull back. you gave advice to the world affairs council before. what is their role? >> the world affairs council, you are a wonderful forum in local communities across this country, bringing people together from all walks of life, having a debate on these issues. the foreign policy debates of our presidential campaigns are, i find, quite vacuous and full of straw man red herrings and do not get to the real issues. well, in your forms, you can get to the real issues and invite politicians to hold their feet to the fire and do not expect these kinds of superficial answers, which we get from campaigns. i have been in washington for a long time, too long, but my wife is a washingtonian, so we are still here, and every 10 years you get this narrative that america is in decline, overstretched, downsize your objectiv